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Remember Dead Man's Blood? When Sam was beside himself with worry when Dean was late with the blood? When he told John that he should have gone with Dean?

I adored that Sam.

And remember Fresh Blood when Sam did *that* thing to Gordon? His expression when he saw Gordon with Dean?

I adored that Sam, too.

/is nostalgic. Sammy-nostalgic.

Date: 2010-10-30 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fleshflutter.livejournal.com
I KNOW! I miss that Sam so very very much!

Date: 2010-11-01 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Just thinking about the old Sammy makes me want to cry. Thank goodness Castiel is still there for the feel-good thing.

Date: 2010-10-30 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
I'm there with you.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I know, right? I hope Sera knows where she's going with the whole soul-less (?), emotionless thing with Sam :(

Date: 2010-10-30 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mews1945.livejournal.com
I miss our Sam. This soul-less version is even scarier than the demon-blood addicted Sam.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I hope the writers won't leave us clueless for long on why Sam is the way he is :/

Date: 2010-10-30 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowc44.livejournal.com
I feel like we've lost "our" Sam and he will NEVER be that somewhat innocent, caring, considerate guy again. It's weird, I liked Terminator!Sam from Mystery Spot, not that I wanted him to be like that all the time, but I really liked the efficiency that I think you should see in hunters.

When he was going after Gordon, and protecting himself (and Dean) it was justified, and I'm sure he felt some satisfaction, but it didn't seem to change him into someone different. But now, I don't think he can come back from everything that he's done, and things that have been done to him.

But Dean has changed a lot as well. There's no way they could have gone through everything and still be the same as in Seasons 1-3. And look how much they changed in those first three seasons. But the whole angels/demons thing has kicked everything to a new level, and they're never coming back to the way they were before they knew about angels and their roles in other beings' plans.

I'd love to go back to the brotherly banter, the caring-about-each-other above all else, but we may never see that again. And I'm afraid Lisa is right, Dean will never be happy with Sam around (or without him) and Sam will never be happy with or without Dean. They're both so incredibly screwed up I don't see how they can come back to anything like normal, but I think it's more extreme for Sam.

Yeah, I miss "my" Sam.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I liked Terminator!Sam from Mystery Spot

Oh I like, LOVE, that Sam a whole lot! To me, the last time that I saw the Sam that I knew ( and loved ) was when he was cradling Dean's dead body in season 3 finale, crying his heart out.

I want the old Sam so very, very badly.

Date: 2010-11-01 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowc44.livejournal.com
"I want the old Sam so very, very badly." Yes, I do too. Oh, you mean, want him to come back? Yep, that too!

I think you're right, that Sam changed quite a bit, started to become less recognizable from the start of Season 4 on.

I wish the angels had stayed in Heaven, and they'd found some other way to resurrect Dean. Better yet, if they'd had Sam find a way without breaking the contract...and without becoming evil or soulless...sigh. Maybe I just need to start re-watching the show from the beginning, in between new episodes.

Date: 2010-10-30 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leelust.livejournal.com
I hate to admit it but i agree. I hads some issues with *that* Sam but i didn't hate him. I was ok with him. Now? You can imagine what i feel now.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I probably would have stopped watching SPN altogether if not for Dean. And Castiel. I hope Sera won't go too far with the whole soul-less and emotionless storyline, so much so that the damage won't be repairable :(

Date: 2010-11-10 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leelust.livejournal.com
For me the damage is already unrepairable. And i'n not interested in this no soul thing. My problem with the show is that i want to watch Dean-Cas show. With Lisa from time to time. Can i have it for X-mas?

Date: 2010-10-30 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] angels3.livejournal.com
If he ever gets his parts back together he's going to be way emo about the way he's been.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Hee hee, sort of an emo payback thing, eh? :D
Edited Date: 2010-11-01 03:49 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-10-31 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabia764.livejournal.com
I know just how you feel.

:-(

Am sad for that time.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Have you seen 606? Do you think there's more to Sam than just him being without any emotion? I thought from the way Veritas was reacting to him, there's more ...

And this is just me thinking out loud here as I'm spoiler-free. For a moment I thought Sam was god. Ridiculous I know, but that thought flashed into my mind, suddenly and clearly.

Date: 2010-11-01 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabia764.livejournal.com
I've seen 6 06 and the trailer for 6 07 - which means I know things you don't want to know!

Sam is God? Did I tell you that last season The Husband thought Bobby was God?

Date: 2010-11-01 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
No, not god per se but ... elements of god maybe? I don't really think so, it's just that Veritas seemed to be scared of Sam, and she was a goddess herself.

Hehe, yes, you told me that. Does he still think so?

Date: 2010-11-02 08:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabia764.livejournal.com
I thing The Husband has given up thinking, it hurts his brain!

Date: 2010-11-03 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casey28.livejournal.com
I miss that Sam, too.

Part of the problem is that we don't know what's going on his head, so It makes it more difficult to sympathize with his character, or to understand what he's going through. We don't know what he experianced in hell, or why he's behaving this way, and it took 6 episodes before we're given any clue about what's wrong with him. I've seen next week's promo, and read some spoilers, so I have some answers about this now, but there's so much more to know.

Date: 2010-11-04 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I miss pre-season 4 Sam so much that it almost hurts to rewatch the earlier seasons :(

Date: 2010-11-07 03:33 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] munibunny.livejournal.com
Did you see the last ep yet? This Sam scares me quite a bit but I'm still holding onto the faith that Dean will make things better. (Hopefully, before too much of this season has gone by because I'm not sure how many more weeks I can take! :)

Date: 2010-11-08 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I wouldn't say that this Sam scares me, not exactly, no. My feeling is more like, "would they just say what's going on with Sam?"

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