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[layne67]

1.40 pm

I'm usually nodding off at this time of the day. But suddenly I don't feel slepy at all.

I didn't comment on that since I'm not American and I feel that it's not really my place to do so. But it certainly wakes me up!

Comments

[munibunny.livejournal.com]

Hmmm... Personally, I thought the Cheney thing was pretty funny. It was just as funny as the Lindsey Lohan thing and the Gilmore Girls thing and the Katie Holmes thing, etc. Just, I don't know... I suppose all fiction writers should have some license to express their views (politically and otherwise).

Well, I guess I shouldn't say anything else or someone might come after me... seems like there's wank to find everywhere. Don't want to start any.

Interesting. Very interesting.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I guess it'd depend on whether you're a supporter of Cheney or not. Apparently the person who posted that, is.

And yeah, the Lindsey Lohan thing and the rest, they're funny!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I've finished reading that fic you rec'd. I love it. It sounds like it really could have happened exaxctly the way the author wrote it, down to the poetries. Heheh, Jared is a stalker!

[munibunny.livejournal.com]

Somehow, I do expect Jared to be that goofy... And I always like to see Jensen act more like a guy than a lovesick little girl pining for his straight friend. :D

[ckll.livejournal.com]

I also didn't comment.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I don't really know what Cheney did or didn't do, so I really can't say anything about that!

[samena.livejournal.com]

This triggered a very interesting discussion. I'm not American either, but I know jokes like this one are being made on the show all the time, and they shouldn't be taken too seriously. Also, it's known that a lot of people are not too fond of Dick Cheney, but that does not make them bad Americans, IMO. But it's good that this woman gave her opinion, and I'm glad to see she did not get bashed to pieces for it.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

One thing for sure, that lady has guts!

I know jokes like this one are being made on the show all the time,

Very true, and all those jokes that are being made on Leno etc, about the presidents and all, I would have thought Americans would be immune to them!

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

This lady happened to write a very lovely ficlet on the rock, scissors, and paper thingy. That's why I remember her. *melts*

http://supernation.livejournal.com/7138.html

[suzy-74.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Yeah. Things like that can be found in many shows actually. Personally I think it's good that shows dare to show where they stand and make hints, make jokes or whatever. It's done all the time as said above with other celebrities so why not politicians. I think it makes you open your eyes a bit. Then of course it can go too far and that's not ok in my book. That's just tasteless and so unnecessary. This girl saying how she feels is also very brave, and I hope she doesn't gets smashed for that.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Nah, she's alright. I think.

And you're right, she's brave. In her place I wouldn't have dared to say the things that she said - and it was a public post, too!

[mochness.livejournal.com]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, I guess. But it's just a TV show, saying that someone will go to hell isn't as bad as when the characters roleplay being God, as far as I'm concerned the latter is muuuuuuuuuuuuch worse.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

And that movie is not even that funny or entertaining!

[montmorency.livejournal.com]

This is not the first comment Dean has made along these lines. It's just that this one was not at all subtle. I LOVED it. My only hope is that Jensen himself enjoyed saying the line. I worry about Texans. ;-)

Dick Cheney has been around American politics for decades, and it's reasonable to say that where there are bombs, where there is a huge budget for war machinery, where there's a guy who got five deferments to keep his ass out of Vietnam but who is all too willing to send other Americans to die in a foreign country - Dick Cheney is nearby. This is not opinion, it's fact.

That said, that woman had the right to make her own opinion known. I think she overreacted, but hey, it's a free country, as they like to say. Free for her to stop watching the show if it bothers her, free for Kripke and the writers to put in lines like that if they like (and they know very well they could get in trouble with the suits).

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Cheney accidentally shot his friend while deer-hunting, didn't he? I remember watching Leno and Letterman making mincemeat out of him then, that line should have been nothing compared to what those two had said!

[honeyandvinegar.livejournal.com]

The whole "yes, we have free speech, but it isn't free!" argument always ticks me off...
Cheney IS teh ebul, lol. He IS.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Talking of Teh Ebul, when will Teh Ebul fic coming back? Has Ms Anon gone awol? ;P

[montmorency.livejournal.com]

The whole "yes, we have free speech, but it isn't free!" argument always ticks me off...

Me, too! Hey, it's either free or not. You're either allowed to say what you think or not. And if someone is dying for our right to freedom, I honor them and thank them. Keeping your mouth shut isn't the way to honor them. IMHO

[lbilover.livejournal.com]

She's certainly entitled to her opinion, but why she should assume or demand that TV shows be apolitical? If the writers feel that Dean is a character who would find Cheney evil, then why can't he express that? Being an elected official doesn't automatically make someone above criticism.

[shadowc44.livejournal.com]

//Being an elected official doesn't automatically make someone above criticism.//

Exactly! There are so many jokes about politicians, as well as celebrities, in all kinds of American TV shows, I'm surprised when one is singled out. It would have been more out of character for Dean to get all defensive and go, "What are you saying!?!" than to ask, "He one of yours?"

I get the feeling that in many ways Sam and Dean don't have much time to keep up with politics, but it's pretty well known that a lot of Americans are dissatisfied with the current Administration. I think there are always a lot of Americans who are dissatisfied with each Administration, but this time it seems to be statistically higher. They obviously don't vote (or let's say I would be amazed if they went to the trouble of establishing fake identities and a fake address in order to vote), but I think the show's established that in their own way, they are fighting a way, and have been for years. Just because it's one that the vast majority of the country isn't even aware of doesn't mean they're not risking their lives every day for people they don't know, and they rarely get thanks or any type of recognition for it. So in this context, I feel that yes, Dean does have a right to say something like that. Freedom of speech aside, he's in a different position than most of us (and yes, I remember he's a fictional character) to make those types of comments. Dean sees a lot of things in terms of black and white, good and evil, with very broad lines being painted. I don't think the character, or the producers, actors, writers, etc., are unpatriotic, I think they just occasionally take the opportunity to express their opinions. They just happen to have a bigger forum for that expression.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I wish we have more freedom of speech here. Not only those kind of lines wouldn't make it past the censor board, no one would dare write them in the first place :/

[mews1945.livejournal.com]

As an American, I defend the lady's right to say whatever she thinks is right, whether I agree with her or not. By the same token, I support the right of the producers and writers of that program to voice their opinions in the context of their program. To me, the character of Dean would always say what he thinks, in no uncertain terms, and I'm very sure he'd have a scathing opinion of the current administration.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

The right to free speech is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Wish we have more of that here.

OT - it tickles me that there's a *Casey* in *Sin City* :D

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

In America these days, it's very common to see people ranting about something someone else said by using the defending freedom/free speech argument. It's very odd. They want to censor someone else's opinion so it doesn't conflict with theirs, yet they claim to be behind free speech. *shakes head*

The fact is, this is satire, and political figures have always been fair marks for satire, just as you mentioned with Jay Leno, etc., which is much worse than what SPN offered.

People who support the current administration often get upset about any criticism, but if it was a Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, or Barrick Obama joke, they'd probably get a good laugh out of it and never get offended. I loved the joke, and I have no doubt that Cheney is an utterly immoral and corrupt man. But I laugh at plenty of Clinton jokes too. No elected official is or should be immune from satire. THAT is Supreme Court protected free speech.

This being said, the lady has every right to get upset and write a letter about whatever she wants. But it's just a TV show for heaven's sake. It's really not worth the energy.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

political figures have always been fair marks for satire

That's just it. I sometimes cringed at the jokes that talk show hosts made about politicians and it didn't really occur to me that there would still be Americans who would get offended. Over here, there would be a huge ruckus if things like that are said openly. It's only in the internet that people dare to talk against the govt but even there the powers that be are monitoring what's going on.