'Supernatural' meets 'Charmed' meets 'Desperate Housewives'?

[layne67]

*grins*

Nah, just kidding. But one of the witches, the nice one. Doesn't she remind you of Paige, one of the sisters in Charmed? And the language that they used? Was that Latin? It really, really made me think of the Black Speech of Mordor. Fairly raised the hair at the back of my neck, listening to that *shivers*

But seriously, I love that episode. It's the first episode of this season that ( for me ) really kicked ass and did not leave me feeling -- flat. Oh there were a few things here and there that I didn't like. I hated it when Ruby came in to save the boys from the demon-witch, with the boys helplessly stuck to the wall ( again ). The witch summed it well when she said 'You really telling me you threw your chips in with Abbott and Costello here?", and that's just not right.

*is frustrated*

But other than that, there's really nothing that I actually dislike about the episode. I can't comment much about Ruby because except for a few episodes here and there, I didn'tt really watch Season 3, so I don't really know much about the demons and Sam's destiny.

One thing, more than one person have expressed their frustrations on Sam's "acceptance" of Dean's fate, that Sam has given up in trying to save Dean. But really, that wasn't my impression at all. I thought Sam was, in some way or other, trying to provoke Dean, he wanted to make Dean feel guilty. He didn't want Dean to stop him from trying to save his brother. That was my impression anyway, from the way Sam was talking to Dean in that motel room, just before Dean started to thrash in agony ( and omg how awesome was that!! ). And well, this is Sam we're talking about here. The Sam that we know does NOT give up, and certainly not where Dean is concerned. Sam giving up on Dean is a serious, serious breach of character. It's almost like having Snape as the bad guy, and no, I haven't finished that book yet so don't say anything yeah?

Love ALL of Dean-speak in this episode. And Sam driving the Impala turned my knees into jelly, that it did.

Lastly, two of my favourite SamandDean moments.





God I love those boys.

Screencaps taken from here.

And if you haven't done pheebs1's poll, you should do so now because it's totally made of win!

ETA : And I think Ruby was stringing both Sam and Dean.

Comments

[lovetheguys.livejournal.com]

Trust me, Sam has NOT given up on saving Dean. He still has to be careful to keep everything under wraps because of the "you try to weasel out of this, Sam's dead meat in no time" clause, so he really has to keep Dean out of it. Sam will NEVER give up. Problem now is, Sam was probably counting on Ruby's help, and only Dean knows she can't do a thing. I doubt Dean will tell Sam this, though. Love, Robin

[johnnyjosh.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he won't give up on him. Makes me a little angry though, that she lied to him, I was just starting to like her a bit too this ep, till she said that *chuckles*.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Ahh, I forgot to mention this. I think she lied to both of them. That's what demons do, isn't it?

And I love your icon. Brooding!Sam FTW!!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Phew! That's a relief to hear.I was beginning to think that I was the only one, because most of the discussions that I've read said that Sam was giving up!

And you know what, I think Ruby's lying to both of the boys. She lied to Sam so that he'd help her and likewise with Dean. And if that's true, I hope they, and esp Dean, won't fall into her ... trap?

[goodbyetoyou.livejournal.com]

wow? people think sam's accepted dean's fate? what? i'm glad i don't really get into other people's opinions in this fandom besides the ones on my flist, i'd probably want to knock some people upside their head with a wooden spoon.

i liked this episode. because creepy witches are awesome.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

LOL can I borrow your spoon? :D

[goodbyetoyou.livejournal.com]

i'll proably have to beat so many people it'd break... so i mean if you can glue it back together, SURE!

omfg, you icon! the classic head thrown back clap hand jared laugh!!! ♥♥... i've found myself doing that sometimes actually, it's scary haha!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Omg I do that, too! Not the hand-clapping though, I just threw back my head, which is more like a Jensen thing, I think :)

Or perhaps Jensen's mirroring Jared?

[goodbyetoyou.livejournal.com]

hmmm i don't pay attention to when jensen laughs, that seems so mean, LOL!

i'm more of a jared not a jensen, lol. that sounds weird to say that too,wtf.

i should stop starving myself of sleep, makes me crazy!!!

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Jensen's 'original' laugh is more on the one he had on Paley, wide while looking at someone's eyes. :D

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I also noticed Jensen laughing like that when Jared split his pants in the gag reel. They really do imitate each other, don't they?

♥J2♥

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

They do, they do. *wipes tears*

Can I love them even more?

[oselle.livejournal.com]

This episode left me kind of baffled but I'm just now getting and fully appreciating the Abbott and Costello crack. I thought that she was just calling them bumbling idiots but now I remember that A & C made a whole series of movies in the 1940s (?) where they were meeting up and foiling various monsters (immortal classics like Abbott and Costello Meet the Mummy and Abbott and Costello Meet Dracula). Hilarious, but I do think the show needs to work a little harder to make those sorts of comparisons less...easy to agree with.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I thought A&C were just another version of 'The Three Stooges'!

God, I hate it when the boys are made to look like idjits :/

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's making the boys seem like idiots as much as it is showing how demons always look down at the boys simply because they are demons. That's what demons do--they always believe themselves superior to humans, because in most cases they are. But this is also how nearly every demonic foe, from Meg to YED to last night's demon have all underestimated the force that is SamnDean. For a demon not to insult SamnDeannJohnnBobbyetc would be making a demon out of character. And thus when SamnDean then turn tables and defeat the demon, the victory is all the more nail-biting and awesome. :-)

[ckll.livejournal.com]

That's what i said about Paige :)
Yes, Sam doesn't give up and it was obvious the way he took the gun to kill the witches

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I think the problem is, 40 minutes is too short a time to tell everything. Maybe this should have been a two-parter?

Hee, you got that Paige similarities, too?

[ckll.livejournal.com]

Yes, from the first second, lol
We need a two-parter episode some time

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Hon, I think someone put a link to a site where we could ask questions to Kripke a little while back? Do you remember where I could find that site? I tried looking at dean_sam but couldn't figure out what the tag might be.

[ckll.livejournal.com]

It was in the TVGuide.
http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/3457668.html

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Thanks, Ck!

[mews1945.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. This episode felt like they'd gotten back to the heart of Supernatural, which is the relationship between the brothers, and their crusade against the demons.

I don't trust Ruby. She's up to more than she's telling. I liked it that it was the witch who allowed Dean to finally put an end to the demon. She sacrificed herself for their sake.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I don't like Ruby either. But I think I'd dislike anybody, esp when it's a female character, that outshines the boys.

The problem is, Kripke likes Ruby and Bela. He said so in interviews. Unlike Jo, he agreed with the fans that Jo was wrong which was why Jo's character wasn't developed.

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

The witches were speaking Irish, badly, in the show.

Umm, regarding the Sam giving up thing, I think this fandom (and probably most fandoms) are filled with people who think in terms of black or white. Maybe that's because most in the fandom are so young? I dunno. But they don't seem to always realize that a person (character) can be between two extremes. Sam is still trying to save Dean, which is why he keeps Ruby around. She told him she could help him. But at the same time, poor Sam has to come to grips with the fact that things in life don't usually turn out the way he wants them too, therefore he's got to be prepared for the worst just in case. I don't think there is anything contradictory or unbelievable about those two things being present in Sam at the same time. When people get to be my age, I think we see that's how the world works--on contingency plans. ;-) Hope and work toward one thing but also be prepared for the worst. I also think that would naturally be a part of being a good hunter. I like the way Sam's character is developing here--like Kripke said, he's growing up--because he used to be so black and white himself.

I don't think Sam was trying to provoke Dean either, although he does want Dean to understand how much Sam is hurting over the thought of his being gone. However, I do believe he wants to be realistic about things and really is trying to be more hardened in order to survive what will come later, and he wants Dean to think about that and stop living in some sort of denial-land. But I don't believe Sam wants to be too aggressive in trying to force this issue onto Dean. He's mostly been pretty gentle with Dean because he understands things are hard for him too, and he wants them to be "brothers again" and not closed off with fighting.

I'm so glad you loved this episode, but I can't agree that it's anywhere near the best this season so far. I really think the last two before this one were the best in terms of brother-stuff so far--brothers working together as well as working out their issues. This one was very good at myth arc stuff though, and finally gave me something to be mildly interested about with Ruby's character rather than just constantly and mightily annoyed at her presence.

I liked the scary stuff in this episode. That was good too. But I am getting tired of every episode showing us the first scene of Dean and Sam with them in suits posing as FBI or police or CDC or whatever. That's getting old.

;-D

[layne67.livejournal.com]

That was Irish? I always thought that Irish sounds lovely - lilting and sing-songy. It sounded chilling, the way it was spoken on the show. But I'm guessing the effect would be a little off if you knew it was bad Irish?

He's mostly been pretty gentle with Dean because he understands things are hard for him too, and he wants them to be "brothers again" and not closed off with fighting.

I love what you wrote there, Chloe, and I can't agree with you more.

They're showing ELAC from S2 on our local TV tonight. More Dean-angst yay!!

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

Well, I think they were trying for a chilling effect when saying the Irish words, just like Latin or English can be spoken gently or chillingly.

Regarding gentle, certainly Sam has showed flashes of anger at Dean over this whole "sell your soul" business, but I think he's not harped on it constantly, or demanded Dean's remorse or anything. I think giving Dean Christmas and letting him mess around with 2 girls at a time and all that, and the ways that Sam seems to end up censoring himself in the end even when he's mad, are all being gentle.

Yay for ELAC! I loved the ending. One of the best Dean moments ever.

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Oh dear. Sorry. I can't concentrate on what I'm reading. Must be because of Dean. But I love their love.

♥

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I love Dean's expression when Ruby and that witch-demon looked like they were about to kiss. That's vintage Dean!

What I wouldn't give to see Sam and Dean to have their "almost-kiss" as well! Oh heck, I want to see them kissing on screen, a brotherly peck on the forehead would be more than enough *siiighs*

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

yeah. Those Petrelli brothers have it so often!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I'd explode even if our boys only got to be half as affectionate and touchy-feely as the Petrellis!

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

But that's the beauty of them. They keep holding themselves. My friend even compares their relationship with Mulder and Scully's! My boys really are so romantic. *sighs*

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I couldn't agree with you more!!!!

And Mulder and Scully ended up with each other, right???

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Not yet. not really. :D

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Oh but they did, they did! Even if it's only in my head *g*

But seriously, if I remember correctly, they did fall for each other finally, it's just it's not shown explicitly.

And omg, imagine my squee when Dean and Sam argue about who was Scully! If there's no subtext there, I don't know what to say :DD

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Oh, of course they fell for each other. But like you said, it's not too explicit. And this reminds me of my friend who told me how even they just touched fingers, fans already went crazy! Just like the way we do with Sam and Dean. Heheh.

And it's so intriguing why the writers put that thing about Mulder-Scully in SPN. wheee!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

And now you've made want to go and buy the X-files boxed set.

I'm imagining this scene in which Sam and Dean meet Mulder and Scully. Dean hits on Scully. Scully gets annoyed, Mulder gets angry and Sam is really, really pissed of. And Dean is left in the dark on why everybody is mad at him! Hee hee.

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Aww my God, that's so sweet. I love clueless!Dean! ♥♥♥♥♥

[willoweese.livejournal.com]

Those two moments were beautiful, weren't they? I have to admit, though, that I really wanted Sam to offer some more comfort to Dean before he took off. I was so worried about Dean lying there, dying, on his own :(

No, I don't think Sam has given up. He is completely determined to save his brother - he believes that Ruby knows how to help. Like you said, I think Sam is just provoking Dean into believing it too, provoking Dean into not giving up on himself.

Sam's not going to give up on his big brother.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Dean lying there, dying, on his own

Sam panicked there, I think. You can't think clearly when you're panicking. He couldn't find the hex thing, Dean was vomiting blood, what else was he to do? Maybe if he stopped to think about it, he would probably would have carried ( squeeeeeeee!! ) Dean and brought him along to see the witches!

[willoweese.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know, and really there *was nothing else* he could do. If he'd stopped to think Dean probably *would* have died. At least doing what he did meant that Dean had a chance. It just broke my heart to see it.

"probably would have carried ( squeeeeeeee!! ) Dean and brought him along to see the witches" ~ now that I would have loved to see ;)

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

Oh hell no Sam hasn't given up on Dean. He just doesn't want to argue with him anymore so to his face he is resigned and accepting but I have no doubt he is doing what he can when Dean isn't aware.

And Ruby better be stringing the two of them along as I really really don't want to have to like her. But then if they are being stringed along isn't that the show making the boys seem dumb and hopeless yet again! They are way smarter than that!

Good episode wasn't it! Much more like S1 & S2! YAY!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking that Season 3 differs from S1 and S2 in the sense that things are getting even more personal. It's not merely a matter of saving other people's lives now, or revenge and killing the YED. Dean's soul is at stake, Sam's too, in a way. And in a twisted sort of way, the "monsters of the week" this time around are within themselves. I don't mean "monsters" as in Hookman or the wendigo or the werewolves, but oh, I think you know what I mean?

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

Yes. The MotW are much more human, real if you will - which makes them much more confronting. Challenges the boys more. I don't know if it just me or not but I have found some of this season rather uncomfortable, awkward even. Especially the boys relationship. S1 it was it just getting re-established and growing. S2 they were comfortable with each other, despite Dean's withdrawal after John's death. And now I don't think they quite know what to do with each other, it is very disjointed. Although since the Gordon episode it has been much more like it was - even if still a little tense.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

No, no, what I mean is, the "monsters" this time around are they themselves, though I don't mean "monsters" in the literal sense of the word.

uncomfortable, awkward even. Especially the boys relationship.

Ahh, that's the Mulder/Scully-ish UST rearing its head. Hee.

But I think that's probably due to the whole Dean's going to hell, that Dean couldn't do much about it without Sam dropping dead. And Sam maybe finally realizing the extent of Dean's love for him, perhaps? That he'd literally go to hell for him? And then there's the big question mark about him leading an army of demons and all. Saying that they have too much on their plates right now would be an understatement!

But speaking of Mulder and Scully, they finally got together, didn't they? :DD

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

Oh man - major blonde moment on my part there! *face palms* I am late to the party but I am finally on board with you. The monsters are within them! See - got it!

Oh yes! Very Mulder and Scully-ish! Dude, don't laugh at me but I really think that Kripke will find a way at the very last episode to give the fangirls what they want. I fully belief he loves the wincest and totally gets what we get about the boys. And somehow he will hint or leave it wonderfully open ended or open to interpretation - just for us. Coz he can't actually get them together, being the CW and all, but he can do that!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

the "monsters" this time around are they themselves,

Something along the lines of the Hardy boys being accused of murder and Nancy Drew has to be called in to help solve the case *snickers*

but I really think that Kripke will find a way at the very last episode to give the fangirls what they want.

A chaste, brotherly kiss at the very least *hyperventilates*

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

A chaste, brotherly kiss at the very least *hyperventilates*

Oh. Dear. God.

For that Kripke really can have my soul. *dies*