layne67: (spn father son)
[personal profile] layne67
I love this song ( thank you [livejournal.com profile] i_o_r_h_a_e_l! ). Been listening to that quite a lot lately, been watching past episodes of Supernatural with John in it. Love them all and oh, how I miss John Winchester!! And this song, just like Shinta said, it brings back haunting images of Dean with his father.



If I could get another chance, another walk, another dance with him
I’d play a song that would never, ever end
‘Cause I’d love, love, love
To dance with my father again


Hence this picspam, a dance down memory lane ...
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Back when I was a child, before life removed all the innocence My father would lift me high and dance with my mother and me and then Spin me around ‘til I fell asleep Then up the stairs he would carry me And I knew for sure I was loved

The ballet and the waltz, the ghost dance and the slow dance, the one-step and the two-step, Dean's dance with his father is a joy to watch.


I have this huge thing for needy, wooby Dean. That trembly lower lip omg, his I don't know what to do, his Tell me, Dad, and I'll do it. ::Bliss::
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Breakdown.
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Curtain call - the final approval.
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Encore.


*sighs* What I wouldn't give to have John back for that one final dance with Dean. Though I'm thinking with all that have happened since - hell, the apocalypse, Adam - Dean's dance with his dad would be of different steps altogether. Does he still need John's approval? Does he think he has already failed with what his father had entrusted him to do - Look after your brother. Does he even like John now? What he said to Sam in 'Jump The Shark' - You can think whatever you want - ouch. That could be taken in so many ways but my first impression had been one of disillusionment.

But whatever it is, I so, so badly want John back one final time, to see him take that ultimate final bow with Dean, in whatever capacity.

If I could steal one final glance, one final step, one final dance with him
I’d play a song that would never, ever end
‘Cause I’d love, love, love
To dance with my father again


And lastly, John with Dean fic recs here. Eight fine stories that explore the complexities of a father-son relationship. Enjoy!

Note :
- Dean's dance with his brother coming up soon.
- Caps by [livejournal.com profile] oxoniensis and also taken from here.
- Shinta, you asked me once what vid I'd like you to do. Oh hon, it'd be super lovely if you could do a vid to this song using the vid-clips from the scenes above! :))

ETA : There's a lovely, angsty vid to that song here. Thank you, Shinta! And an awesome fic here. Thank you, [livejournal.com profile] tigriswolf!!

ETA : And a brand new vid by [livejournal.com profile] i_o_r_h_a_e_l here which is so made of win ( and love ).

Date: 2010-02-03 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com
Oh, honey, what terribly poignant scenes between Dean and Papa. *bawls* Dean has a different way of look other than the one he gives Sam when he looks at his father. They definitely have a very special relationship that Sam and his Dad don't have. Dean shares the moments when they were still a 'normal' family with his father while Sam doesn't. Oh, it's so sad. T__T

What a great idea and choice of songs, dear. I will definitely make you something out of these. *hugs you tight*

Date: 2010-02-03 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Perfect time to post the vid - Father's Day! Is it June yet? :))

Date: 2010-02-03 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
Thanks so much for the lovely picspam! ♥

Hehe, Dean's trembling lower lip has many fangirls, myself included.

Incidentally, I think Dean still greatly respects John, i.e. his reaction to "Paris Hilton" bringing up Daddy. But I think that adoration has matured in that he no longer sees his idol dad as all virtue, no fault.

Your picspam is making me more excited about this week's episode. How spoiled are you of it?

Lastly, thanks for your fic recs. I enjoy your recs very much, you know -- we sharing a brain and all. ;-)

Date: 2010-02-03 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!! Will John be in it????? No no, don't tell me, I know NOTHING about next week's episode but if John were to be there YOU'll hear me scream with happiness right there in California :DDDDDDDD

There's this other thing that Dean said to Castiel in 'Free to be you and me', something about not wanting to be chained to his family anymore. My heart plummeted down down down when I heard that because it seemed to me not only was he talking about Sam, he was talking about John as well. In his current state of mind ( at that time ), he looked at himself as being "chained" and that's bad ... for Dean. But in a way, it kind of explained his relationship with Sam at the moment - him needing his space and all that, to be his own person instead of John's son or Sam's big brother.

You're very welcome! I enjoyed doing that so much :)

Date: 2010-02-03 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
p.s. Going through your picspam, I just remembered reading somewhere about that final hospital scene where John whispered his final instruction in Dean's ear: I read when that final scene was shot, JDM was in LA and couldn't go up to Vancouver, so that scene was a composite--the two actors weren't next to each other at all. Is it true, do you know?

Date: 2010-02-03 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
No, I didn't hear about that. But if it was true, it was just that breathing-at-the-neck scene only, right? The rest of the scene JDM was there himself, right?

Date: 2010-02-04 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
I don't know. I think I read the comment in the comment section on YouTube. That scene was used in a fanvid (I don't remember which one now), and someone commented that that scene was filmed at two locations.

S/he said when Jensen acted Dean was confused/surprised/shocked at what John was telling him, he wasn't actually looking at JDM at all, that the scene was a composite where JDM's part was filmed in LA.

If that's the case, that's damn good acting and damn good special effect. In lieu of how well Jensen carried off 5.04 The End, we now know Jensen was perfectly capable of doing that. But I still not sure if the story is true or not. I came into this fandom late, and that episode was back at the beginning of the second season!

Date: 2010-02-04 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I think it was just the part where John whispered in Dean's ear that was ( probably ) added in later. I'm quite sure JDM was there in person for the rest of the shoot because there were lots of behind-the-scene pics of them together in that hospital room, joking and laughing. There was one pic where JDM was laughing down at Jensen who was in bed, laughing back at him. Aargh, unfortunately those pics were in my laptop that crashed but maybe you can find them over at dean_sam if you clicked on the BTS links.
Edited Date: 2010-02-04 01:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-04 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
Very possible. Even if just the scene where JDM leaned down and whispered in Jensen's ear, it's still impressive if that little scene is shot in two locations. Dean's reaction to John's instruction was quite sublime. I had not an inkling while watching the show that JDM wasn't there! Argh, I wish I can get this story verified.

Date: 2010-02-04 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Do you have the DVD set? Maybe someone said something in the BTS commentaries? I have the DVDs ( all 4 seasons ) but I have no time to watch any of them yet - well, except for the gag/blooper reels :)

Date: 2010-02-04 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
Whooo, good idea! I do have the DVD sets. I'll give it a try to see if they mentioned anything like that on there! God, this brings back memories of that great episode. So far I think my all time favorite episodes are (in the order they aired):

"Faith", "In My Time of Dying", "What Is and What Should Never Be", "In the Beginning", "On the Head of a Pin", and "The End".

There are other great episodes that I enjoyed, such as "Bad Day at Black Rock", "Mystery Spot", "Jus in Bello", "Yellow Fever", "Changing Channels" etc, but those first ones I just LOVE so much!

Date: 2010-02-04 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I'm going to watch it tonight too, if I'm not too sleepy that is as there's that 2-hour Lost premier to watch as well. We can compare notes, yeah? :D

I love ALL of seasons 1 and 2 episodes with the exception of 'No Exit' which I found quite flat and boring. It's hard to single out any one of them but if I *had* to choose I'd choose IMTOD, WIAWSNB, Nightshifter. And oh Faith too, and Provenance, Bloody Mary, Devil's Trap. See? I told you, I love them all. It's seasons 4 and 5 that I begun to have eps that I dislike, but having said that my top 5 scenes/episodes are from s4 and s5!

Argh, now I just remember, I should have included Dean's scene at his father's grave in WIAWSNB!

Date: 2010-02-04 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Some stills from that episode here (http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/6884792.html#cutid1). Oh how I love to see JDM and Jensen together like that!!

Date: 2010-02-04 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com
Oh thank you!!! I grabbed every one of them with Dean!

Looking at them is giving me the chill. Now I have the need to go and read hurt!Dean fics.

Date: 2010-02-03 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com
I've really enjoyed so many fics exploring the Dean & John dynamic these last few years, and am working through the recent rec list for any I missed.

I recognize Dean as being in the stage of human development that most of us go through in our late twenties and early thirties, but in his case it's more pronounced due to the family history. This time is when young adults truly assert themselves out from under the shadow of their parents and can often start recognizing flaws in their parents and hold them at a distance, before eventually moving forward as a comfortable adult with an adult loving relationship with parents. It was obvious that Dean adored and worshipped his father, and established much of his own identity as centering around John's worldview. Then after John's death, the hurt and anger Dean was left with began to turn into a self-exploration that brought in some understanding of how messed up their relationship really was. I think Dean is moving to the next step, which is realizing that under extraordinary circumstances our parents do the best they can but they are human and not perfect. We have to forgive them and ourselves, even if remembering past behavior may irritate us from time to time.

:-)

Date: 2010-02-03 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Oh Chloe, I LOVE what you said there. And yes, Dean's certainly at that stage now, what almost everyone will go through in their parent-child relationship only his is sort of magnified ten-folds, living a life as isolated as he and Sam did :)

Date: 2010-02-03 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ala-tariel.livejournal.com
I'm glad you included Young!John here. I love him. And thank you for the picspam. ♥

Date: 2010-02-03 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Heheh, young!John worked the way young!Dean didn't. I love him too, very much! The only thing is, young!John was shorter than Dean but current!John was taller! :DD

Date: 2010-02-03 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ala-tariel.livejournal.com
I guess they couldn't find a taller actor to fill young!John. But, they did a good job with this one. Perhaps he should wear heels to match Dean's height. :D

Date: 2010-02-03 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Hee hee!! Oh you naughty girl, and now I've got this image of young!John tottering on a stilletto beside Dean :DD

Date: 2010-02-03 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ala-tariel.livejournal.com
Hahahahaha...somehow I can imagine that.

Date: 2010-02-03 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aidanirl.livejournal.com
I so miss Daddy and Dean((((
thank you for oics and stories)))

Date: 2010-02-03 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
You're very welcome! I wonder very much how their interaction would be like if they were to meet again :)

Date: 2010-02-03 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippii.livejournal.com
What a lovely heartbreaking picspam♥

Date: 2010-02-03 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
I know, right? I just wanted to cry whenever I see that pic of John carrying wee!Dean *sniffles*

Thank you, Pippii!

Date: 2010-02-03 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
These are so wonderful John/Dean's relationship wasn't easy all the years.

Date: 2010-02-03 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Yes, it wasn't easy, but John loved his sons and he did his best, and I think, I hope, Dean knows that ...

Date: 2010-02-03 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ckll.livejournal.com
he must know by now :)

Date: 2010-02-04 12:14 am (UTC)
tigriswolf: (happy!JDM)
From: [personal profile] tigriswolf
I wanna go write some fic now.

Date: 2010-02-04 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Oh yes yes yes please!! Maybe one of those 5-time fics - John and Dean at 5 different stages of their lives? :DDD

Date: 2010-02-04 04:13 am (UTC)
tigriswolf: (cowboy)
From: [personal profile] tigriswolf
Actually... five times in twenty-five years?

Date: 2010-02-04 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layne67.livejournal.com
Oh please, yes, please!!

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