Questions regarding Sam in episode 14

[layne67]

Why was Sam so mad after that phone-call from Dean, I mean, now that we know that he wasn't under the influence of the siren? And it wasn't just your usual run-of-the-mill annoyance, he was practically in rage there that it freaked me out a little.

Was it because Dean decided to hunt for the siren alone, that he wanted Sam to sit that one out?

Or was it Sam's "inner demon" coming out, a hint of things to come? *shivers*

Or was it just the writers simply wanting to continue misleading us that Sam was under the influence of the siren?

And another thing, am I the only who think Sam would be immune and not be affected by the siren's bodily fluid ( or whatever it was )?

Comments

[goodbyetoyou.livejournal.com]

man i have all those questions too

[layne67.livejournal.com]

But whatever the reason was, angry!Sam is HOT!!!!!

[montmorency.livejournal.com]

Good question, I hadn't really thought of that.

One funny thing - my sister immediately picked up that the guy was going to be a siren to Dean. She figures out things waaaaaaaaaay ahead of the end of movies and shows.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I was clueless right until Dean took that drink and Nick was all smirks. And I was like, OMG, a man?!? My mind immediately went *there* of course.

This blogger summed it best here (http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/02/supernatural-th.html).

...the brothers were ultimately seduced by one posing as a male FBI agent, because the siren sensed that only a man--specifically a surrogate-brother-type, not a woman--that could divide these brothers and prompt them to try to kill each other.

My own thoughts ( other than the wincest one ) was the siren knew that the brothers would be wary of seductive women, and it knew coming on to them as a woman wouldn't work!

Ha, your sis is one smart girl, and she wasn't even into slash!

[montmorency.livejournal.com]

We both thought it would be awfully funny if it had been a gay thing. :)

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

I think that would be the third. But now I will say that's not a clever way coming from the writers.

Sam is affected, too, though he looks a bit more fluid than Dean. Dean looks so lost and that makes me wonder if he's really 'there'. He doesn't seem to remember anything afterward, which is not true. Heh.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but it worked! It distracted us from thinking of other possible people who might be the siren!

Sam was affected alright, but I thought he should and would be immune, the way he was immune to the demonic virus in Crotoan. Heck, he was immune even to Lilith!

Oh both of them remember alright. Sam remembered what he said in Asylum, didn't he?

[shadowc44.livejournal.com]

Good questions! I thought Sam was so angry with Dean about the phone call because Dean clearly didn't trust him any more. It seemed to me to be more than just the possibility of Sam being under the siren's spell. Obviously they were playing that angle up for the distraction of it. It would have been even worse if the agent had been in the car with Dean at the time, hearing that conversation, and if Sam knew he was being temporarily replaced.

Still, he and Dean have been so trusting of each other, despite clear evidence that they each lie at the drop of a hat, and now Dean doesn't want his help, doesn't even want to see him?

This was such a painful episode! It would have been intriguing if Sam had been immune, but I can understand why he had to be influenced, so you could see them fighting each other. I knew the second Dean offered the guy a drink from his flask, that once again his saliva would get him in trouble (Dream a Little Dream of Me). Still, I kind of wish there had been some other way the fluid was exchanged.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I thought that Sam was under the influence of the siren at the time of watching it, and I remember thinking "Uh-oh, Dean is in so much trouble. Sam's going to KILL him now."

If Sam were immune from the siren's saliva and yet he still fought Dean, well, that would have been even more terrible!

Still, I kind of wish there had been some other way the fluid was exchanged.

Don't we all? :DD

[dev-earl.livejournal.com]

I think it's simply because of what Dean said. I couldn't recall exactly what he did say, but I'm guessing some things just struck a nerve or something. *shrug*

Also, I think Sam'd be immune to anything demonic because of the demon's blood, not everything supernatural. But that's just me.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Still, I've never seen Sam that angry before. Pissed off yes, but not red-hot rage like that. I don't think he looked that angry in Asylum even.

Yeah, you're right of course, it was just that thought fleeting through my mind Sam's got to be immune, now what on earth would happen?.

[verangel.livejournal.com]

I have to watch this again. I didn't see from the beginning and it was really out of the blue. I am leaning towards your comment on the writers misleading, or, they were sloppy going for the abstract. The ending didn't connect well, even in a thinking way. Don't get mad at me. I love drama, but this disappointed me. I will have to watch and see if I missed something in the beginning.
hugs you xxoxoxoxo v

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I think the Sam that we have now is no longer the Sam that we, Dean knew. So much had happened to them both that it's inevitable, this distance between them. I just hope that instead of them destroying each other, which would be so cliche and easy, they would find their way to each other again.

[leelust.livejournal.com]

I think it was cos Dean didn't trust him - the better hunter, man, whatever. I mean - how dares he? It was Sam's pride acting.
Also i don't think Sam could be immune - he immunes to demons' stuff and siren wasn't a demon.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Sam's pride acting

The new Sam, yes, the Ruby-corrupted Sam, but not the old Sam, who I think would go all emo and bitchy, but not the way he was yesterday. That was frightening!

[leelust.livejournal.com]

but not the old Sam, who I think would go all emo and bitchy, but not the way he was yesterday.
Yes, exactly! I love how they show us the change in details. It's funny but logical that Dean sees the change and we as viewers see it too but Sam refuse to acknowledge it. He's addict to his powers and can't think straight. I hope he'll see it when it's not to late though.

[albeitslowly.livejournal.com]

I think it's kind of a combination of things. I think part of it is he doesn't really like lying to Dean and sneaking around behind his back, and just then, he was angry with himself for getting himself into a situation where one of his lies would be so obvious that Dean wouldn't trust him and that could make things start to unravel.

Plus, yes, he was just starting to feel like he was getting things under control, feeling like he's got a handle on things with the hunting and honing his powers, and Dean just basically cockblocked him. Payback's a bitch, I guess. LOL.

And there's the whole thing where Dean's going on the scientific evidence and making a pretty airtight case for the doc actually being the siren, and that's usually Sam's m.o.

He knows he'd argue it just as hard if the shoe was on the other foot, but he thinks he knows that Cara's not the siren, but there's no way to prove a gut feeling or instinct. Even if he's right, he can't prove it, and he won't get the chance if Dean gets there first.

And man, I can think of so many reasons Sam's pissed right then. It's kind of a wonder his head doesn't explode. lol.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I seriously thought his head would explode, along with the phone and maybe more than a few pieces of furnitures as well. Jared did very well in the last episode. To be honest, there were times when I didn't quite "get" his acting but oh boy, did he surpasse himself in S&V!

And yeah, I agree with you about the combination of things contributing to his anger.

[willoweese.livejournal.com]

For me it was a reflection of what Sam said to Dean at the end. He told Dean he was a far better hunter and that Dean was holding him back. I think he was angry and reacting to the fact that Dean told him that he had to sit this one out, and that Dean was going after the siren alone, while he believes that he was far more capable of hunting the siren than Dean was.

I hadn't really thought about Sam being immune, but now that you bring it up... Perhaps he's just immune to actual demonic phenomenon, whereas this was another supernatural creature entirely?

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Yes, I guess that's it, Sam's only immune to demonic entities. And it would have made the story even more complicated if he was immune to the siren!

Angry!Sam is SCARY!!

[willoweese.livejournal.com]

"And it would have made the story even more complicated if he was immune to the siren!"
I think that is probably the best explanation for it, actually. The story couldn't really have worked if he was immune.

Angry Sam is very scary. I wonder if we are going to see a lot more of this Sam in the coming episodes...

[wynterhawk.livejournal.com]

I'm almost finished watching this episode. I only started it because I heard that the Wincest had been confirmed ;) *hugs*

[layne67.livejournal.com]

LOL yeah, well, there're lots of theories flying around, but that's the obvious one. I mean, seriously? And they have to add in the flower hyacinth into the picture too. Never knew this (http://lyra-wing.livejournal.com/183839.html#cutid1) about hyacinth before!

[wynterhawk.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha. That is priceless. I'll finish watching the ep then :)

[munibunny.livejournal.com]

I don't know... I've been thinky lots of thinky thoughts about those questions myself.

Sam is a puzzle to me right now.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Like someone above said, it's probably a combination of many things, like Dean not trusting him, not listening to him, and maybe at that time he was maybe kind of afraid that Dean was probably right, and that dig from Dean on him sleeping with monsters ...

The old Dean would probably have said that pissy!Sam needs to get laid more often. I mean - just Madison, Ruby and Cara after Jess, and two of them were not exactly human, too!

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

I just think Sam is beginning to crack trying to keep up his double life. And he is torn. Part of him knows Dean is right and the other part thinks (but maybe isn't one hundred percent sure) that him and Ruby are right. And its beginning to get to him. Plus knowing that he is losing Dean's trust SHOULD upset him.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

All that, and also maybe because of that jab from Dean, him banging monsters and all. I thought that was rather uncalled for, but Dean being Dean ...

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

I know I am being totally bias but I always excuse Dean, yes for being Dean, but also because he is just frightened and saying harsh things in fear. I'm sure it cut deeply to Sam though. Ahh I fear we have not seen the last of the boys and their issues with each other. Its all got to come to a head sooner or later.....*wibbles*