4.18, what's the title again?

[layne67]

I was laughing like a loon the first five minutes or so but then, I was like, hey, were they laughing at us? And boy, was I dreading to read the reviews but read them I did, and funnily enough it makes me feel much better about that episode, reading other people's thoughts and perspectives, that makes me see that episode in a new light, that maybe they're actually laughing with us after all. And at.

And I really, really need a transcript right now. What was it about that Archangel by the prophet's side? I didn't quite get that. Because from what I heard ( or didn't hear as the case may be ), I came to the conclusion that Dean was the Archangel *waves to Dian* because he was the one beside Chuck there. And what does the reference to Luke mean?

Lilith. Now she was SCARY. And I really thought she was Bela at first!

Hubby's away for the night. I'm not quite sure whether I want him to watch this episode or not, because of, you know, that Sam/Dean thing. My boys didn't get that I'm sure ( they both love the episode btw ) but hubby probably will and he doesn't have an inkling about Wincest *bites nails*

Comments

[lisaj67.livejournal.com]

Wasn;t it fun to see kripke and the boy's having fun a little bit at us fan girls expense

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I wasn't quite sure about that episode at first, but yeah, I'm okay with it now. And there're quite a number of great moments too, the scene at the laundromat, Lilith, the boys wearing that FBI overcoat omg that's a first!

[lisaj67.livejournal.com]

my fave bit was Castiel NOT telling Dean exactly what he needed to do,and that little look he gave, i was laughing my head off.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I thought Cas's lips are extra chappy. I have to watch that eppy all over again because I really didn't quite hear that exchange between them properly. Thank goodness Ruby wasn't in it.

[lisaj67.livejournal.com]

Ohi know Ruby is starting get on my nerves , there's rumour's of a charector death in the finale i hope it's her

[evening-spirit.livejournal.com]

Luke, the Evangelist. I won't help you with the Archangel thing though, because I'd need a transcript to understand all the details as well.

As for the whole "wincest comment" thing I found it hilarious. Now, I am not writing or reading wincest (although I'm thinking about going there as well... soonish), so I may not be the one this was addressed at, and I'm not sure how I'd feel if they made RPS comment. But still, I had the feeling it was with a wink. I think Kripke knows what "interactive" means, and that's what he's doing here, a dialog with internets. It makes him kind of awesome. Plus all the pokes at the show itself, and its creators? I liked it. :)

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's one of the things that made me think that they were laughing at themselves too, not just at us, because, bad writing? Heh :))

I wasn't offended at the slash reference, I found that hilarious too, but oh, I really don't know what my husband is going to say to that!

[angels3.livejournal.com]

Well that's how I started and it didn't bother me at all. It's not like they could say gee that's cool. To even have it acknowledged on TV is something that has never happened. Like ever so I'm taking it as a WIN!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved it. I really must get back to some of my Wincest roots I've been in the RPS for a while now. I have a story that I've been thinking on for almost a year :)

[evening-spirit.livejournal.com]

To even have it acknowledged on TV is something that has never happened.

THAT! Exactly.

[angels3.livejournal.com]

I mean honestly can the slasher that are spazing not see that? Although I'd say the vast majority of the reviews I've seen on it have been like me. Of course I tend to steer clear of the folks I know are going to be downers :)

[layne67.livejournal.com]

To even have it acknowledged on TV is something that has never happened.

That, and also I don't think there's ever a TV show that has poked fun at their own writers/fans like that ( can't imagine, say, Heroes or Lost making such episodes ). They were taking a HUGE gamble there though, I think. Heck, I was thinking that half the fandom would be up in arms about it, or quit SPN altogether. But the reviews that I've dared read are good, or at least not as scathing as I thought they would be.

[angels3.livejournal.com]

I think the ones of us that have a sense of humor and realize they can only really approach it one way and the fact that the episode was all about poking fun at pretty much the whole show had a fabulous time watching it. Of course they furthered the myth arc at the same time which was freaking cool too.

Never let it be said that Kripke doesn't take risks. The man has no problem doing this or killing people left and right which really worries me about a certain character. :(

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Yes, I've seen that little spoiler too. Well, as long as it's not one of our boys. Having season 5 with one of the brothers gone would be HORRIFIC.

Who are you worried about? Bobby?

[angels3.livejournal.com]

Yes *sobs and hides head*

[katikat.livejournal.com]

From what I understand, every prophet is protected by an archangel. The archangel will do anything to protect the prophet. So, when a prophet is in danger, the archangel destroys the threat. By putting Chuck next to a homicidal demon, the archangel came to smite Lilith who was the source of the danger. That's why she ran. By running away, the danger went away and with it the archangel.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Oh I see. The only thing that I heard clearly was the prophet having an archangel by his side and the only person that I saw by Chuck's side in the next scene was Dean!

[arabia764.livejournal.com]

I thought it was really funny but... hell, they were laughing at us. The whole 'get a life' comment, there's no other way to take it.

I still thought it was funny but I can see why lots of other fans don't see it that way.

You know what got me? They really are going to make it that simple - they totally broke Dean but an angel comes and tells him to stop whining and THAT'S IT. Lazy frigging writing - if you want to break him then put him back together properly, not that nonsense.

Lazy, lazy writing. Still thought it was funny though!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I almost didn't want to say anything about this episode, almost didn't want to read any of the reviews either because I was thinking that half of fandom would be tearing Kripke apart. But surprisingly that's not so! Well, at least not the ones I've read so far, and maybe the ones who hate it have quit SPN altogether, I don't know.

Lazy frigging writing - if you want to break him then put him back together properly, not that nonsense.

You hated It's A Terrible Life then? I actually love it, very much, well, maybe not so much the last few minutes. But I'm sure when they had their writers' meetings they discussed the various ways they could do it and maybe that was the best story they had, IDK.

Did your husband watch it with you? Did he say anything about Sam slash Dean? Mine wanted to watch it this morning but I told him he probably wouldn't like it, but when he does I think I'm going to distract him or something when the episode comes to *that* part.

[arabia764.livejournal.com]

I didn't hate IATL, I enjoyed most of it but it was what I thought it was going to be. I didn't think the writers would handle what they did to Dean properly. They had the fun of breaking him but I never thought they were going to take the time and effort to put him back together properly.

I was disappointed I was right. You can't break someone that badly then say, 'stop whining,' and it's all okay. You'd be shot down in flames if you did that in a fic. I think the writers simply couldn't be bothered to do it properly and justified it with, 'it's not that kind of show.' In that case, don't break him!

I watched last nights with The Husband (I don't let my kids anywhere near it any more) he thought it was funny. But then he knows all about slash, knows I read and write it -appreciated the benefits it's that has brought - and thinks it's all rather funny.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Hubby watched it yesterday. He loved it. He didn't say anything about the slash thing, either he didn't notice or he just didn't think about it. He laughed out loud and long at the "I'm the Prophet -- Chuck!" part!

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

I thought it was a well-deserved spoof of both the show and the fandom. Fandom takes itself so seriously, and the show doesn't, so fandom deserved getting poked with the funny stick. ;-) I thought the spirit of the show was great, and let's face it, the lots of things about fandom really are weird as social phenoms go and makes the actors and creators scratch their heads going WTF???.

Luke wrote the third book of the Gospel of the New Testament, so I guess he's kind of Chuck-like. That line made me laugh like a loon, and I want to know about all the dysfunctional, neurotic prophets that Cas has had to deal with over the years. I'm sure Isaiah was probably crazy as a loon!

No, Dean's not an archangel, which is good. I prefer him as Dean.

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

Ah, thank you, about Luke. I thought, why him, because he was not a prophet. Why isn't castiel referring to prophets instead.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Castiel was sooooo cute, wasn't he? And so endearing, I almost thought he was going to wink at Dean :))

[i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com]

He always winks inside. :)

And Dean seems to, I don't know, look vunerable every time Cas appears.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

That's twice Castiel cracked a joke - the first one in OTHOAP when he said Uriel was the funniest angel on the garrison and the second one "You should see Luke".

:D

*hearts Castiel*

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

I think it's part of the SPN tendency to muddy definitions so that they fit into the show's plotlines. Luke doesn't exactly fit the definition of prophet as we might define it, but the joke was really funny all the same, so no problems here with it. :-) It's so funny when serious Castiel deadpans those humorous lines. LOL.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

And that's the second time he made a joke, the first one was when he said that thing about Uriel being the funniest angel on the garrison LOL.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

There have been speculations and theories flying around that said Dean is going to be some sort of angel, heck, I've read people saying that he's Jesus himself! So yeah, when I heard ( or thought I heard ) "an archangel by the prophet's side" and there was no one there but Dean, I immediately thought of those talks!

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've read all those speculations, too. :-D

A long time ago I thought that perhaps if humans could tap into demonic powers on some level, as the show's witches and Sam do, then humans should also be able to tap into angelic powers in some fashion. So I wondered if Dean might have to do that with an angel's help in order to either "correct" Sam's path or else to actually become the agent that prevents apocalypse, but he would still be human Dean using the powers like tools. We'll see. There certainly is recorded lore for humans doing so, and there are new-agey people today who believe in it.

I never thought the Jesus idea was credible and seemed to be started originally by someone who was pranking the fans on TWOP. It would be akin to making Dean be Mohamed or some such and that just won't fly with viewers on any level.

It'll certainly be fun to see what does happen, but I think it will continue into next season. :-0

I enjoy having these thinky discussions with smart ol' you. *hugs*

[layne67.livejournal.com]

LOL smart me? I don'even know who Vonnegut is *facepalm*

Btw, I'm still wondering why Castiel thought he could talk to Dean direct in 'Lazarus Rising'. Maybe when Mary was trying to protect her firstborn, like you said, she tapped into the angelic powers of some sort, hence her nightly "Angels are always looking after you," to wee!Dean. But then, why didn't she do the same thing with Sam? Could it be she had gotten complacent? Or maybe she could do it only once. Or maybe there was simply no way she could get out of the deal, maybe she didn't mean to have a second child or something.

[chloe-amethyst.livejournal.com]

I've been wondering about Mary and angels all season, lol! I wonder if angels came to her at some point and did promise to help protect her and her family but somehow YED thwarted the angels. I wonder if that will show up since her telling Dean angels were watching over him popped up a few times in the series. However, the angels do a terrible job protecting people it seems to me. Good at pulling out of Hell; terrible helping them when alive. Too many rules and regulations they have to follow. So I wouldn't doubt it if they failed to follow through with protecting the young Winchester family.

Could be, like you said, Mary found conjuring spell from the Middle Ages to bring protective powers to her, but maybe it wasn't strong enough.

[daisychains1957]

Our show just gets better by the episode, I can't believe we only have 4 more to go *sobs*

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I was actually initially on the fence with this episode. I love the episode per se, I thought it clever, funny and BRAVE, going where other TV shows have never gone to etc etc. But I wasn't sure what Kripke's motivations were with it, was he mocking us, or was he just having a bit of fun at the fans' expenses, and also at their own expenses as well of course.

After discussing it with friends I went for the latter. But I could see why some people hate it, I haven't read those posts but I got the gist of what they're saying from other people's comments and posts.

And yeah, only four more episodes. Thank goodness for season 5.

And you're going to meet the boys at Asylum, aren't you? LUCKY, LUCKY you!!!

[daisychains1957]

I don't think Kripke is mocking us, I think he's just acknowledging us and our little idiosyncrasies with these boys, and he found a novel way of doing it!

I could never hate the ep, I thought once we got into the main storyline it was a really good new road for the arc to follow :))

I do wander what the main issue for season 5 will be, will Sam have turned dark-side and Dean has to bring him back or will we return to the easier life of the first series? I can't see that happening or I think people will feel let down, so I suppose Sam has to turn evil :((

yay I get to see the boys soon, I just hope I'm one of the lucky ones to get the photo-ops!!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

You know what I'm hoping Jensen and/or Jared will do in season 5? That they'll direct an episode or ten, the way some of the actors did for some of the long-running series. I know Duchovny did for The X-Files, and if I'm not mistaken Tom Welling did too for Smallville. So yeah, it'd be awesome to see this in the opening credits : DIRECTED by JENSEN ACKLES or **inserts major squee** DIRECTED by JENSEN ACKLES AND JARED PADALECKI.

[daisychains1957]

That would be really nice - so long as they act in the eps as well. My biggest fear is to lose one of the boys, re, The X Files again, I stopped watching that series once Mulder left because it was never the same again, The X Files WAS Mulder and Scully and SPN IS Dean and Sam Winchester - lose one and you lose everything!!!!!!

I keep seeing rumours of Jared leaving and us getting the Dean/Castiel show!!!!!! If that ever happens then I will go as well :(((((

[layne67.livejournal.com]

so long as they act in the eps as well

But of course! And I could totally see Jensen giving Jared a hard time on purpose ( do this, don't do that, no, no, not THAT! ) when he's directing and vice versa :D

Hey, maybe you can ask them this question at Asylum - whether or not they have any plans on directing an episode of SPN. Put the idea in their heads so to speak ( if it wasn't there already that is ).

My biggest fear is to lose one of the boys

Which I think is why ending SPN after season 5 is a good idea, you know, before the boys really do quit *horrors*

[daisychains1957]

That would be a good question - how do you go about asking questions at a con, do they take a list of them, and who does the asking?

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Oh gosh, I have no idea! Maybe you could ask that at one of the comms, maybe at dean_sam? It'd be awesome if the boys said yes. And maybe it'd even give them the incentive of staying on for season 6!

[daisychains1957]

It would be good for the boys to do so, so long as they wouldn't like it too much, I need our boys in front of the camera to ogle, not behind it too much :)))))

I wouldn't dare to ask the question in a comm, or for real at a con, let's hope someone else asks it :))

[tj-smartz.livejournal.com]

Phil and I had a big chat after and I felt much better. Part of me wasn't sure if I should be offended or not but then this is Kripke. He loves us. And gets us and understands us (even if he really can't admit it in a public forum). So I don't believe he would ever allow true bashing of us fangirls. He is OUR number one fan.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Oh you, too, hon? Well, at least you have Phil to talk too! I didn't even feel like a making a post on this episode at first, and I had this image in my head of half the fandom quitting SPN. It's not that I hated the episode, it's just that I didn't understand Kripke's motivations. I tentavely read a few reactions here and there and to my surprise they're all positive! Oh I know there were people who hated the episode but I didn't read those.

bellatemple gave one of the best reviews, you can read it here (http://bellatemple.livejournal.com/353932.html).

And this is stuck to my mind :

we play in their sandbox all the time. Last night's ep, the first ten minutes? Was them playing in ours. That's right, The first ten minutes? The writers were giving us their RPF. About us. There's an Irish proverb I really like: any man who cannot laugh at himself should be given a mirror. This? Was our mirror.

I pretty much love this episode now, and I think it's very brave of Kripke for taking the gamble to do it!

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

Oh I was squeeing during this epi, especially when Chuck confronted Lilith, with nothing more than "I'm Prophet Chuck". Hahahaha. But then, since Castiel giving Dean a clue about an archangel in the shoulder of a prophet, I started squeeing. My sis was like rolling her eyes the whole time.

OOT, Muhammad, when the first time met Gabriel, he'd got a very, very, very bad fever. He's sick. And so was Chuck. He's curled up in his chair, covered in a blanket, with the flu! Ever since he met Dean, he's getting sicker.

Yes, Dean is the archangel! Chuck practically doing nothing, hell he didn't even say other words other than the above. So, it's Dean who freaked Lilith out.
And Dean doesn't know the truth about himself. Now, that's a great thing.
I'm sure now, Lucifer won't take Sam's body as his vessel. And since Sam found out he couldn't take Lilith out with his powers, he won't trust Ruby no more.
So, it's back to Dean and Sam. YAY!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Yes! I was like, having this where's the angel? where's the angel running around in my mind and I could only see Dean there standing next to Chuck!

"I'm Prophet Chuck".

The best thing was the pause after he said "prophet" - I'm the prophet ... Chuck! That was HILARIOUS!!!

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

Ah ya, there's a pause and the the before the word Prophet. :D
And Lilith didn't even blink when Chuck stated the words. Her attention solely to Dean.

Haaaaa....now I can't wait for Castiel or any other angel to give Dean the flaming sword, the one Michael the Archangel has. And of course, there'll wings for Dean as well, a pair of jade green wings.

YAY!

[layne67.livejournal.com]

((((( You!!! )))))

♥

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I saw that at your sis's, and I've read the fic too!!

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

I have several pics of Michael and this is my favorite. That's why I have to spread it. :D